Mixing Bold Color, Pattern and Style with Kimberly Duran of Swoonworthy

Uncategorized Aug 17, 2020


This is a re-released episode from the archives.  This episode originally aired July 11, 2016.

 This week we have self-proclaimed unashamed maximalist Kimberly Duran of the blog Swoonworthy.  She has truly discovered the design balance of bold colors and tactile fabrics with luxe finishes while still making you feel that you can sit back and put your feet up.  We chat about everything from living in a well designed home with pets to designing a room that will afford you a good night's sleep and a brilliant way of choosing colors.   



Kimberly's first home in Manchester, at the time of this recording.  (All photos credited to Swoonworthy).


Kimberly's current home in Shrewsbury.  (All photos credited to Swoonworthy).





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Today on the podcast we have self proclaimed unashamed, maximalist Kimberly Duran of the blog swoonworthy. She describes her style as eclectic boho glam and I want to say that the glam is definitely out front. But what I love It is that she has really discovered the balance of bold colors and tactile fabrics. With Luxe finishes while still making you feel that you can sit back and put your feet up. We chat about all kinds of things including living with pets, and still having a beautifully designed home to designing a room that will afford you a good night's sleep and how to choose color. So come on and hang out. Grab a glass of wine or a cup of tea. And let's get started with Kimberly. 


Zandra Zuraw

You have a fantastic style that we makes us really happy to look at. We are really excited to dive in. I think you call yourself an unashamed, maximalist or an unabashed mass masochist, which Yeah, perfect, perfect description of your style. But I want to start off with your cat. What's your cat's name? 


Kimberly Duran

My cat's name is Nisha. Nisha. 


Zandra Zuraw  5:04  

I mean, and I'm not a huge pet person. You know, I don't get terribly excited about pictures of pets but on your website, the pet pictures are phenomenal because your cat looks like a million bucks. 


Kimberly  5:20  

Thanks photogenic that was really more photogenic than I am.


Zandra Zuraw  5:25  

Well she goes with your style!


Kimberly  5:29  

When I got her everyone said that to me like, Oh, of course you would get a leopard print. Yes.


Zandra Zuraw  5:36  

And she's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. 


Kimberly 5:40  

she's mental as well. She's the craziest thing I've ever owned. But um, but yeah, I love her to death. She's full of personality, that one as well.


Zandra Zuraw  5:48  

Great. I think that's true of cats in general. Yeah,


Kimberly 5:51  


Karen Grant  5:54  

Well, I'm going to segue into another question because I had no idea where we're starting with cat sorry. 


Kimberly  6:06  

Cats all day. I'm perfectly happy with that. Well, this is your interview. So if you want to talk about


Karen  6:13  

we just ask our listeners to please direct all negative comments towards you.


Karen  6:22  

Actually, one of the things that I wanted to ask you today is that you wrote an article on your blog about the nine things I learned to keep my home from going to the dogs and cats.  Oh, yes. I just thought that was brilliant because my house is overrun with dogs as I was saying to you before we board dogs that our house small dogs, and I usually have at least four dogs here. And there's dog hair everywhere and I just on a regular basis to you know, no end and that doesn't help anything I guess. I guess if I didn't do it, you know, get pretty bad around here, but stop. was important to me obviously, and to you as well. And so when I look at the spaces your gorgeous home on your blog, it's kind of neat to know that you share that space with so many pets.


Kimberly  7:14  

Yeah, and yeah, I think I think it's really important. One of the points that I made is that you really kind of need to loosen up a little bit. You need to let things go because it's it's not going to be perfect. My dog just went through a stage of molting. Oh, he's a Sheltie. And, oh, yeah, quite long hair. And it was just this is he's just kind of finished the molting process. Thank God for the next year. on that stage for that month or so or six weeks or so. It was absolutely impossible for me to keep up with I was literally writing every day. You know, just seeing things off constantly, constantly. And after a while you just go you know what it is, whatever. You know, I can't, I can try to keep up with it as best I can. But I'm not going to be following him around with a tiny vacuum cleaner, where he goes, because it's just ridiculous. So I think there just comes a point where you go, Okay, you know what? Yeah, there is gonna be a, you know, cat hair on the bad times and there is going to be times when I'm going to have to Hoover, you know, a couple times a day to keep up with the dog. But if I don't get to it, life goes on.


Zandra Zuraw  8:30  

Yeah, right. Right. I think it's finding that balance between. For me, it's always Oh, I'll get to it or I will. I know it's just going to be there's going to be more dog here in 10 minutes, so why bother? And then it really does become kind of gross. And so you have clearly found this really good balance between keeping up with it but not being obsessive. Exactly, exactly.

Kimberly  8:53  

I think that that is the point really, it's kind of like you know what, yeah, it is important to keep if I hadn't done lots of hoops Over the last six weeks, the floors would be free. But you wouldn't be able to. Yeah, at the same time, you know, you can't get obsessive about it. It's a home where animals live. And there are signs of life, you know, without regards and I don't think that's necessarily a bad you know, it's not a bad thing to have a home that looks like if there's life in it and that people are using it and up coach there is going to be, you know, the dirty mug left on the side and there is going to be pair of shoes in the hallway that weren't supposed to be there. But these are all sides of a home that's lived in and loved. And there's certainly nothing Yeah, there's not there's there's certain there's a certain positive really about that. So yeah,


Karen  9:42  

yeah. Yeah. I think loosening up is always a good thing.


Karen  9:46  

Absolutely. Well, and I think that comes across in how you design like when I when I first look at your rooms, I'm just immediately drawn in they just have this feeling of welcoming me in like I just I want to walk into your living room, I want to sit down next to your dog, I want to sit under that wallpaper, I want to sit in that little circular chair with the sheepskin rug like I just want to cozy up.


Kimberly  10:12  

Thank you. That's a that's an amazing compliment. And that's exactly the kind of look that I want. As much as I love a glam you know aesthetic. I also want a home that's welcoming and that people don't feel afraid of being in that they feel like they can be comfortable and be relaxed and be welcomed and and it feels like a happy space. So that's really a huge compliments. So thank you very much for that.


Zandra Zuraw  10:38  

Well and just to keep going on that for a minute because I think that this is kind of this is the difference to me between a home that has been designed all at once by a very talented interior designer. But it looks like it hasn't been lived in yet. Sort of it's it's newly done.


Kimberly  10:58  

Yeah. And yes soul doesn't it? Exactly.


Zandra Zuraw  11:03  

And your home which looks there, it's so Luxe because of your glam tendencies. Yeah. So, and yet I think Karen's absolutely right I, it's the kind of luxury where you want to walk in because you know, everything's going to feel good. You're going to touch the velvet sofa and it's going to feel good in your hands. And you're going to your eyes are going to be delighted by the patterns that you've put on your walls or on your furniture. And, you know, it's that kind of luxury that you want to sink into, as opposed to the kind of glam luxury that you're afraid to touch.


Kimberly  11:36  

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, that's, that's really kind of Thank you very much. My head is swelling.


Zandra Zuraw  11:41  

Well, we're excited to show pictures of your space with with our listeners on the show notes page. So yeah, this is giving us lots of fodder for a lot of visuals. So we're excited about that. 



Thank you very much. I think I think that's always something that I've taken I I call my style.

eclectic, boho glam. which is which is kind of meaningless in some respects is just kind of catchy. But at the same time, that sort of bohemian feeling of lots of lots of colors and lots of patterns, and it's that touchable sort of comfort and that the invitation that bohemian design gives you to just kind of relax and kick back and, you know, squish into all the wonderful textiles and fabrics and things. And that's sort of where that influence comes from, where I want those sorts of touchable fabrics and I want people to kind of go Oh, this is nice. What's this and immediately touch it. That's what I yeah,


Zandra Zuraw  12:38  

yeah. And I am like, touch everything. Oh my gosh.


Karen  12:43  



Zandra Zuraw  12:46  

In like that my whole life. I go into a store and I just have to touch me yes or no, it feels like


Karen  12:52  

I have to reject a story. But when when my son was like five years old, I guess he was so kindergarten. He's in kindergarten and I get a call from the principal, because he has been. He went up in touch the skirt of a girl in class and this was Oh, they decided that he had to go to the principal's office for this and be talked to about how we don't touch another child like that. And, you know, they were very, very concerned and everything and I so I went into the meeting and I, I said to my son, why did you touch the other girl's skirt, you know? And he said, Oh, well, the fabric was so nice. And I wanted to know how it felt.


Kimberly  13:38  

Exactly. Yes.


Kimberly  13:39  

I wonder where he picked that up from Yeah, exactly. So yeah. He would love your space to

Karen  13:46  

be welcome to come over and touch whatever he wanted.


Zandra Zuraw  13:50  

And when you look at your house, it feels like everything makes sense together. But when you think about it, boho and glam are definitely two two distinct styles that a lot of people, or at least the genesis of them would not feel like they're very opposite you know, the boho sort of influence was was more kind of the hippie vibe and the casual laid back California vibe. And that has absolutely nothing to do with the glam that you might see in 1940s. York or Hollywood glam or whatever. And you've married them, really making it look like they do belong together. And I wonder if you could talk a little bit about those two things you did just mention about the boho and how that that gives you the that sort of feeling of comfort and the glam part what what attracts you? What are you attracted to about the glam part and how do you bring that into your decor? Maybe you could describe that for our listeners.


Kimberly 14:51  

I think it really comes down to the fact that I'm a complete magpie. I like


Zandra Zuraw  14:57  

shiny things.


Kimberly  15:01  

I think that that is probably a big part of it in terms of the glam look, I have loved gold and brass for years now, probably at least the good five years and certainly before, certainly before it was trendy in, in the UK because it's only sort of I know the US is a little bit ahead of us in that respect. But in the UK, it's really kind of only just sort of starting to be a trendy thing. So when I first started to use gold and brass and my tears, people thought it was crazy. They're like this is like a throwback from the 90s what do you what are you doing? And I used to be with my my gold spray paint spraying everything because I couldn't find holes. So I think it's sort of that aspect of that aspirational glamour of, you know, the 1930s and 1940s is sort of you know, hollywood Regency style, Art Deco style and there's a lot of that kind of little bits of that sort of influence in the designs that I do in my own home. I just think it's beautiful. I love it. It's reflective qualities, I think it brings a lot of warmth to a space. And so I've always tried to incorporate a bit of gold and a bit of brass in my interiors. And I think it does sort of give it that bit of a Lux look that I don't know another material that works so nicely with kind of giving up giving a space, that sort of glam sort of look. So I've always sort of incorporated a lot of that into into my home. But I just think it works really nicely with thee with lots of pattern with lots of color, possibly only to only to me, but you know, I when I started my blog, and I started kind of really expressing my style. There was a lot of people that went Oh, actually yeah, that kind of works. That kind of works really well. So that surprised me because I thought you know, I was the only one who liked lots of leopard print and also lots of shiny

Zandra Zuraw  17:05  

Oh well count us two people who love it. Absolutely. Yeah, I think the thing about golden brass is that it does have a timeless quality it feels has a sort of historic element to it. Yeah, it calls back to an older time. I mean, even though there are plenty there's plenty of current golden brass being manufactured. Now that is also wonderful but there's something maybe it's just your house in particular that has a feeling of things have been around for a while and you know, you clearly care about craftsmanship and that kind of thing and it really, it just it goes beautifully together. The glam and the boho for sure. 


Kimberly  17:43  

Thank you very much.  I think it works really well. It makes me comfortable because it is it doesn't feel too stuffy but it's also very happy as well because you know that I do like to use lots of bold color and things like that. So it feels feels happy to me. That's why I feel like it's a reflection of, of my own style.


Zandra Zuraw  18:00  

Speaking of color, you have another article on your blog that I really loved. It was a kind of like a flowchart on how to know whether you're going to pick a light color or a dark color.


Kimberly  18:10  

Oh, yes. What you should pick for your room color.


Zandra Zuraw  18:13  

Yeah, brilliant, brilliant way to put it because we get this question all the time. And of course, most people seem to be very afraid of dark colors. But I'd love that your approach was that it's not don't go bold, just for the sake of going bold. Make sure it's actually right. Not just for you, but this particular room and and what you use it for and how you want to feel in it. Yes. So can you talk a little bit about how you came up with the idea of doing it as a flowchart?


Kimberly  18:41  

Um, I think very similar to you. I was because I've done a few dark rooms in the past. Yes,


Zandra Zuraw  18:47  

your bedrooms.


Kimberly  18:48  

Yes, I have a black bedroom, my living room for a while we only just finished sort of redecorating. It was a really dark, rich indigo blue as well. So I've lived with them. dark colors in certain rooms for a while. And I think I've had so many questions in the past people saying, I've got a north east facing room, but I'm not sure if I should go dark Should I go darker Shigella. And it's like, there's so many little factors that are involved in deciding whether you should go darker light. And I think one of the biggest things like, like you mentioned is how do I want the room to feel? When am I going to be using the space? Am I affected by things like sad where, you know if it's if it's been dark if it's been cloudy, I mean, we get it badly here in England, where during the winter months, you barely see the sun. So if this affects you, psychologically, is it the best idea to go with a dark room because from personal experience, I found that it wasn't a great idea for me to spend a lot of time during the day in a very dark room, especially through the worst of winter months where we didn't have a lot of sunshine. So you have to kind of think about the practicalities of the way that you live and if the way that you want to use the space And when you're going to use that space, not just whether the room suits it in terms of the style of the space, whether it suits it or not. So yeah, I thought it might be fun to kind of approach it in a flowchart manner rather than a list or or I don't know, a Venn diagram, it just seems it seems that it might flow nicer if I tried to set it up as a flowchart. And I really enjoyed putting it together. But my goodness, it's harder to put together a flowchart that you might think


Zandra Zuraw  20:31  

that's what I thought when I was looking at it and thinking God, she must have spent a lot of time trying to figure this out because you've got the “If yes, this way,”  “if no that way” thing is like, wow, this I bet that a lot of work. 


Kimberly  20:43  

A lot of people who make these flowcharts all the time because it's just an infographic thing that I thought was a fun, fun exercise to put together. You know, I sort of told people you know, this isn't the end all be all if you really want to paint your room door and right flowchart says, dark don't listen to me. It's not an end all be all, but it's sort of a, if you're on the fence and you're not really sure, then this might help. So that's quite that was kind of the point of it. So it's out a few people make a decision. And I think it did actually, from some of the responses that I received, people said, you know, I've been, I've been wondering whether or not and this really helped me out. So, so yeah, jumped on. So I was happy with that.


Zandra Zuraw  21:29  

Right? Well, and I do think people they want they want an answer. You know, they want to be sure before they take the time or the money, depending if they're doing it themselves or not. They want to be sure they're making the right choice. And Karen and I, well, probably more than Karen, I paint so often that I don't mind redoing something. When I think I'm unusual. I think most people do mind. And so it's nice to have that kind of help. And in the bottom of the diagram you do. There are instances when you say it's part what's your Yes. And I love that too. There is no right answer. And this flowchart just helps you ask the questions that I think you might not know to ask. Yeah,


Kimberly  22:09  

yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think I think that's I think you're right, though I think people do sometimes they want a definitive Yes, this is gonna look great. No, don't do it. And it isn't that easy. And to be honest, I've taken chances with certain things in my home. And sometimes they've been great. Sometimes they were a disaster. But you know, if you don't know when you don't learn, unless you're kind of willing to give it a shot. And like you said, I'm not afraid of, if I get it wrong, if I'm gonna need to repaint every paint, but for me, that's not a big deal. And I know for some people, like I said, some people would prefer to avoid that, if possible. Not that I complain.


Karen  22:47  

Well, I think one of the most important things to me that you pointed out was this idea of considering one's feelings in a space how one is going to feel in a space and you have another article You wrote about how good design can make you sleep better. Yeah and so and we just talked about darkly painted bedroom and and I sort of it funny I've had really dark cave like bedrooms and I currently I mean it's all been the same bedroom has been painted like a million times right now everything it's like one day I woke up and I was like everything needs to be white and I I brought in like a very light shade of gray to you know, for a little bit of contrast, but you know, all my beddings white everything all of a sudden I just needed this clear, clean light feeling in the space but I like how you talk about really considering those feelings. So So what for you may do decide to create a sort of moody or space or darker space for your sleeping quarters.


Kimberly  23:54  

I think one of the things that I spoke about in the articles that I have, I have a sleeping disorder that's called night terrors. And it's usually only present in children but as an adult I haven't Lucky me it's not it's not horrendous it's live I you know I live I've lived with it for a really long time and it's you know it is it's just is what it is but I wake up in a panic. I most time I don't remember what it is I've dreamed about but I have real trouble falling asleep. So and then when I do fall asleep sometimes I have very very restless sleeps. And so I wake up in the morning feeling exhausted because my adrenaline has been pumping in the night You know, I've gotten up I've gotten out of bed. All of these sorts of things are happening during the night when I should be resting sleeping or not. So I needed to make my bedroom as absolutely optimize, optimized for sleep as I possibly could. So for me, if I have a space that's, I know by now that I need it to be perfectly quiet. I need to be very, very dark. I need my pillows fluffed in a certain way getting you know I need to have certain space around me my other half cannot be touching me because you know I can't have a cat you know climbing on top of me I it's it's like the stars need to align for me to fall asleep nice restful sleep. I'm painting the room dark seems like a natural sort of solution for having a nice peak like space in the evenings. During the day. I think we're quite lucky in respect to the room itself. It's got two really big windows. It's got fairly high ceilings as well and live in a Edwardian Victorian home and the ceilings are fairly high. So it gets really good light because on the second floor gets really really good light. So during the day, it's very bright and very lovely in there. It doesn't feel dark or cave like at all, but in the evening when sun goes down, you know, we have thought Count blinds blackout blinds go down and light switch off and it is dark as dark can be, which is exactly what I wanted. So, yeah, I mean, it was a, it was a style decision, I suppose in some respects as well, because I liked the look of black walls. I liked the look that I've seen in, you know, magazines and Pinterest and things like that. So it just seemed kind of a natural decision to try it in the room. And when I'd first suggested it to my other half, of course, he thought I was crazy. Oh, Blackbeard said, Absolutely not. So I convinced him to do just one single wall. So we just did the wall behind the bat and that was it and he lived with it for about a year. And then on one Saturday morning, he said to me, that was the bedroom, you know the block wall.


Karen  26:52  

I'm thinking it might be okay for you to paint all four walls. Now, before he finished the sentence.


Kimberly 27:00  

ran down to the local dry and picked up the paint. And I think that weekend before he had a chance to change his block.


Kimberly  27:10  

So um, so yeah, it was sort of one of those things I just I jumped on it as soon as he said he agreed I was like, okay, that's a it's done. It's done and it's been that way for I think I can't even remember when we painted. I think it's probably about three years ago now. And I have no intention of changing it at this moment. Because I still didn't like it. But


Zandra Zuraw  27:28  

it's gorgeous. And your textiles, your patterns. I mean, the whole room is just it like the rest of your house. It feels luxurious. And it doesn't come across dark now. It doesn't I mean,


Karen  27:39  

There's such life and energy in the space, it’s  really beautiful.


Zandra Zuraw  27:45  

You don't look like you know, it doesn't look like it belongs to a teenager who is going through angsty


Karen  27:52  

teenager No.


Kimberly  27:55  

I really liked the way that the bright colors popped against the block wall. So I've used Really kind of bright palette in there of reds and yellows and blues, which seems like it should look like a kindergarten, you know, play school or something. But it's um, I do like the way that it looks. I think it kind of complements the block really nicely and, and it sort of looks still looks happy and still looks bright but yeah, except for having black walls. So


Zandra Zuraw  28:21  

well this is again it's all tempting our listeners to go look at the photos that we're going to post. So there we start with the cat.

Karen  28:32  

Oh, but the Sheltie I just I have this picture up on the screen right now he's sitting on the couch smiling shelties do smile.


Kimberly  28:41  

Even when we scold him, he's still smiling. Like do you not understand what's happening here? You're getting in trouble with his huge smile. He's just the happiest, happiest creature. Oh, which is sweet it is. And he always looks like he's smiling.


Karen  28:55  

One of the things that I loved as I was looking through your website, first of all, is your house tour. which we've already been talking about a lot of your rooms but you've done a beautiful job of of giving us all the before and afters and, and that's I don't know that's just secretly exciting. I guess not secretly not a secret that everyone knows now. Oh my gosh but but you do a beautiful job of sort of showing us how the space has started and and where they've come to and one of the things that I love is you have a project that you've done you do a lot of DIY and and one of them is this dresser that you've had that has been redone I think four times Oh, yeah. I loved seeing all the different iterations of it and how they looked in each of the spaces and uses. And I just thought, you know, another thing you talk about is the idea of not doing everything at once and doing things on a budget. And so I just I thought that was such a great example of shopping your home. You Using what you have, sort of over time developing a style and I was wondering if you could speak to that a little bit either about sort of that piece of furniture and its journey or sort of just the idea of taking the time to develop your style and allowing items in your home or the way you use a space to develop over time,


Kimberly  30:25  

I think, yeah, I think that that look, that little. dresser is probably a very good example of how my style really has changed over the IRS as well and how my style has developed. So it's probably just a good representation of the entire house. So I think when we first moved in, we moved in in 2010. And I don't think I was very sure my style, I had an idea of what things that I liked and things that I was pretty sure I didn't like, but it took you know, it took years really For me to kind of say, definitively that I know what my style is now I know, I know, you know, people can look at things and go, Oh, that looks like Kimberly, you know, that's, that's, that's a swoonworthy you know, print on as, you know, that sort of thing. But it took years for me to develop that and I think people are such a in such a hurry, and I probably was myself. So I'm not saying that I wasn't like this. If I had had the money at the time, I probably would have decorated everything all at one time. But I didn't. And so it forced me into sort of this slow decorating, you know, mentality where you take your time over things you decide whether or not spending X amount of money that's, you know, the splurge for you, which which whatever that's a value is is going to be different per person, but whatever your personal splurge is, are, you know, is that actually is it going to be worth it? Are you going to have it for years Can you utilize it in different spaces, etc. So I think my design then became a lot More considered. And that was really not necessarily through choice, but just by a circumstance. You know, we had to kind of come up with creative with creative ways to bring the house, you know, to our tastes and how we were planning on using the space. But I think in the meantime, what that did was, it actually did allow me to kind of experiment a little bit to not spend ridiculous amounts of money on something that only a couple of years later I might be tired of, or I might not like anymore. So it's sort of it gave me that time to sort of hone my style and try different things. And it's funny with that little chest of drawers because it has been made over I think four times now. And every time I think about replacing it, or think about getting something else in there, or you know, have a little bit of money should I buy this or that that I've considered replace it with and I just think it's kind of part of the house now. It's almost like it's like a tattoo, you know, you just you don't like it anymore. You just live with it because you think No, that's it. That's part of me, you know. And I think that that little chest is sort of like that. It's like a little representation of the house and all the changes that it's gone through. But it's personal to me now and, and I can't see myself ever parting with it because of. But But yeah, I think I think it does take, it does take time. And I think that the fact is that if you don't have a huge, unlimited budget, and then let's be honest, how many of us really do that's not necessarily a bad thing? I think. I think having a having a limited budget makes you forces you to be more patient. It forces you to be more creative, it forces you to to ask those sorts of important questions of whether you actually you know, is this an impulsive purchase, or is this something that you really truly love and really wanted and, and if the more you surround yourself with those things that you have given that consideration or you have saved up for that splurge, they become more special, they become a Less throwaway and more, you know, more personal to you and more special. So yeah, I do think things do evolve and change and your tastes are going to change along with that. But I think if you really spend time understanding and honing your own style and allowing that time, you know to pass I don't think actually that's a bad thing. I think that could be a very good learning experience really for anybody.


Zandra Zuraw  34:23  

Yeah, I think so too. And I think taking the time to figure out what you want the dresser to look like next. Yeah. And making it exactly what you want because you are making the changes to it is is very rewarding. It is


Karen  34:38  

very rewarding. There is something to be said for. I think that's probably one of the reasons why I like the DIY side of things is because it feels good to be able to stand back it is harder, you know, it is more hassle, it could be more masks, etc, than calling someone in and it probably takes longer. But there is something very, very satisfying about you know, stepping back and going, you know, with me and my other half going Can we do that You know, you know police ourselves in the back.

Zandra Zuraw  35:11  

okay, well, it's my turn and I don't mean to put you on the spot, but we're wondering if you could answer the question style matters because blank. Um, Oh, I know. So we're just we're just asking you to tell us why does all of this stuff matter to you? You know, you spend you're spending your whole life on this and Karen and I are as well and a lot of people are if they're not doing it professionally, they're they're just they love it. You know, they they love antiquing, or they love to paint or why why is it important? Why what does it do for you? Personally, I think the fact is I


Kimberly  35:49  

I've always been, I've always been a creative person, or at least I felt the need to have creative outlets and I think a lot of people who are bloggers and designers interiors, you know, into their interests. I think many of us will say that when I was a kid, I used to write stories. And I used to write funny poems for my friends. As I got a bit older, teen years sort of, I was always hitting thrift shops to just find things that nobody else had, or more likely what no one else wanted.


Karen  36:22  

I mean, it was the 90s. So you know,


Kimberly  36:27  

in my head, I've always kind of considered myself a bit of a weird kid. I always felt different and, and not in a I'm a special snowflake, sort of way. But just kind of I felt a bit removed from what other kids my age were into. I loved art, and I love photography. And I used to customize and embellish my clothes, and all of these things sort of fed into my creativity. And I actually quite loved to how my interests and my passions in the way I dressed, how these things sort of externally represented what I found. Who I was on the inside. And I think as I got older and, you know, I kind of conformed in certain ways as everybody sort of does. But there was still a need that I had to express myself and express my creativity through various different outlets. So like, I mean, I was always loved interior design, but I didn't really get the chance to sort of sink my teeth into it until we moved into this house. And as I said, Before, I didn't really have the budget, I didn't really have the vision probably in some respects at that point in time to do what I thought I wanted. So it took trial is okay or took patience and creativity to turn my house into something that I felt proud of, and that I felt, you know, was a proper representation of, of me. So again, it became an outlet for me to show the world that I was different, and I was unique as well as all of us are, but I was okay with that. And so that, I think, for me, style, is an outward sort of expression of what's going on inside my head or What's going on inside. And I think that's something that's kind of precious and unique and personal to every individual out there. And I think that's what I'm, that's what I love about it, that it doesn't really matter particularly what the style is, it doesn't have to be my own personal take. But if someone's home looks as though it's a personal reflection of them, of what is going on inside their house, inside their mind, or who they are as a person, or as a family, etc, that's far better look in my eyes than something that looks like it's come straight from a catalog. And I think, you know, I think that's really what style is about. to me. It's sort of an external reinforcement of who someone is and what they are sort of on the inside. And that's really kind of what I love about us, but I love expressing my own home because I feel like it needs to be sort of that outward expression of of who I've always been even as a weird kid. I'm a weird, I don't know, it's reflective.


Karen  39:01  

I'm glad I put you on the spot because you answered that.


Karen  39:04  

Well, thank you so much. I mean, this has been really an incredible time to talk. We really appreciate your time, Kimberly


Kimberly 39:11  

Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been an absolute absolute pleasure.


Zandra Zuraw  39:17  

Well, all right. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today. It's wonderful to have you here. And if you've liked what you've heard, please rate us on Apple podcasts or iTunes. It really does make a huge difference. It helps other home obsessed people find us and it helps keep us on the air. Also, don't forget to take the quiz. What's the number one mistake you are making in your home over at little yellow couch calm. I will be back next week. And in the meantime, take care.


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