Turn Any Beige Box into a Home with PMQ for Two

Uncategorized Jan 18, 2021
 
My guest today is Ariel Garneau who is known for her bold, colorful, quirky, somewhat retro, mash up of styles.  I went in to this conversation hoping to see if I could uncover what makes her tick because she's one of these people who have developed a very particular style that's unmistakeable.  And I wanted to know where it comes from, how she defines it and how it's evolved over time.  Eventually we also get around to talking about a couple of her DIY projects and she's got two great tips around hanging wallpaper.  We start the conversation with me asking her to explain the name of her blog and business, which is PMQ for Two.  Extra points if you already know what that stands for!  
 
 
PHOTOS OF ARIEL'S HOME (all photo credits to PMQ for TWO)
 
 
Transcript of the episode:
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Slow Style Society that's little yellow couch.com forward Slash Slow Style Society. Or if you go to the homepage, a little yellow couch.com, there's a handy little yellow button at the top right corner. You can click that as well. Okie dokie. Let's get on with today's episode. My guest is Ariel Garneau, who is known for her bold, colorful, quirky,

somewhat retro mashup of styles. I went into this conversation hoping to see if I could really uncover what makes her tick, because she is one of these people who have developed a very particular style that's unmistakable. And I wanted to know, where does it come from? How does she define it and how has it evolved over time? So we get to all of that.

And eventually we also get around to talking about a couple of her DIY projects, because she has become a queen of DIY. And she's got two great tips specifically around hanging wallpaper. So stick around for that. That's toward the end. We start the conversation with me asking Ariel to explain the name of her blog and her business, which is PMQ for two extra points.

If you already know what PMQ stands for, Ario Garneau. Welcome. We were just talking before we started recording and saying that we've been both following each other for a while. It's so great to finally meet you, sort of, Hey, likewise. Likewise. Yeah. I mean, it's it, I do feel like the there's an intimacy in talking to someone like this that I do feel like I get to know my guests personally,

even though we never meet in person, but maybe one day we will Maybe in a, in a time, far, far away, But when we can actually travel again and Canada lets us back in as Americans, because you are in Canada right now. Yeah. So, okay. Let's, let's just jump in because we've got a lot to cover and I want to make sure that,

that we get it all in. So first of all, your name, the name of your blog, which is PMQ for, to tell us the origin of that name. Cause a lot of us don't know what PMQ stands for. I know. And I always take it for granted. I keep forgetting that, you know, as my account and my blog grows,

I forget that people who weren't with me from the beginning don't know what it means. Right? Right, exactly. So in the Canadian, so my husband is a member of the Canadian armed forces. So the Canadian military and our base housing system works slightly differently than the U S in that you have to pay rent, et cetera. And you're not guaranteed a host,

et cetera, but those accommodations used to be called private, married quarters. So PMQ is an acronym and it's no longer, they're no longer called PMQ. Now they're called Rhus residential housing units. Okay. But I've been at this military spouse game for awhile. Yeah. And when I started the blog back in 2013, yeah. September, 2013, it was just the two of us living in a PMQ.

So PMQ for two, sounded like a short, cute alliteration. And I went for it. Yeah. It's it is great. And I actually like the fact that we all just learned something so very quickly, because you've been a military family. How many times have you moved? Ooh. Between bases and homes. It's different. So we've moved several times within a posting,

but we are in our fifth or sixth communal home together. Wow. Okay. Right. So I think that, and if I'm correct, that's was sort of part of your impetus, I guess, for writing a blog was that you, you were moving all the time and you knew other military families were having to deal with this. Exactly. And what,

while I no longer permits to talk about budget friendly or military friendly Style or accommodations. Th th that is the origin of the blog. It was talking about ways to make these big gray and personal boxes feel like home for however long that you were in them. You know what, and you are anything but gray and impersonal. So that's awesome. Look,

I developed in sharp contrast just to rebel. Oh yeah. So did, and we are going to get all into your color and your pattern and your personality, but, but do you think that that is one of the biggest hurdles that military families face? I mean, obviously there's, there's a lot of other big hurdles that are way bigger, but it just,

in terms of the moving, is it that the housing seems to be kind of nondescript and it just feels like, kind of sucks the life out of your Yeah. And, and even if you're not in base housing, I find that a lot of families who are buying homes to then resell quickly will do what the minimal amount of personality infusion, just because it's that much more work to undo when you have to list.

Right. We all know that when we get orders and we have to move we're on pretty quick turnarounds. And do you really want to sink thousands of dollars into redecorating the house and painting it and stripping it of personality? Usually the answer's no. So a lot of the times people are just like, well, it's great. It's beige, it's going to sell.

And then that's kind of where you go. You did the opposite though. So what's your advice then? Why, why do you Life is too short? Yeah. Life is too short to live in a big gray box. And I'm one of those people who is greatly affected by color. And my surroundings, I find that if I'm in unstimulating uninteresting surroundings,

that it kind of translates to my mood and my overall wellbeing. So I found that once I started infusing color and texture and pattern into my surroundings, that I found them more welcoming, more comfortable, and I just sort of came alive within them. And that was assigned to me that I needed that type of environment to flourish. And we all know that,

or maybe we don't all know, but the, the flower for military children is a dandy line because they grow where they're planted. And that's kind of the approach I take to my surroundings and our homes. It's I grow where I'm planted and whether it's a, you know, small, small house under a thousand square feet with no, no fences and very close neighbors or a bigger home in the city,

you know, I'm going to expand to fill the space I'm in and make it work. Mm, yes. Fabulous life philosophy, I think. And, and I, I think you're right. Life is too short. And also why put your life on hold? Yeah. Yeah. What, you know, waiting for the time when you, you don't have to move.

I mean, if, if you're committed to being a military family, you're just gonna keep moving. Exactly. And I think this past year, as many families were faced with lockdown and shelter in place, we were really forced to reckon with our previous decor choices. It's like, do I really like those curtains enough to stare at them for seven months straight?

Gosh. Yes, exactly. And if, if you know, your previous design choices were based on, this is good enough for now and you know, there's nothing wrong with that. But if, if it doesn't spark you joy, I mean that, that Marie Kondo thing goes two ways, right? You want to live in an area that sparks joy and that you're surrounded by comfortable and colorful things for the most part.

So if you're a maximalist and you love color, you need that in your life. Absolutely. And, and let's, let's talk about that specifically related to you, because this is the thing that I love about you is, well, before talking to you, just by reading your blog and following me on Instagram, you're very easy to fall in love with because you embraced a style that I would call is uniquely you.

Yeah. I mean, it's really, it's what I would call a signature style. So, and you're not afraid to share it, which I love. So this is not, this is only, I never know how to say this. We're only on audio right now. So describe it for us. And I know that people either have already following you,

or they're going to jump over to your Instagram feed as soon as this is over, because well, because go ahead Because I'm going to, I'm going to wow. Them with my words, my pictures. So if I had to describe my style, I would start by describing it as a blend between Kate spade and Wes Anderson. Imagine those two design styles had a baby.

So there's a bit of prep. There's a bit of that upper West side, like structure and formality, but there's also a lot of really kooky curated collected, lived in feelings. And they all sort of meet together in this mash of traditional structured patterns with whimsical details and decorating and collections and just color color is the great equalizer in our house. Perfect,

perfect way to describe it. Those two iconic people who, neither one of them are designers, but you'd well know Kate is a designer was a designer, but I mean, neither one of them are interiors people, but they are known for their Style. And if you say Kate spade, you know, what comes to mind is the color blocking the sort of upper crust preppiness and structure.

And then when you think of Wes Anderson, it's these incredibly evocative set designs and locations that are transformative and just so rich with color, And it's the mix. It's how you mix them together. That makes them you. Exactly. Yeah, I right. Okay. Let's keep talking about color. Then walk us through your thought process. When you're redoing a room,

you moved into a new house, whatever, and you're going to change the palette it at this point, it might become so sort of second nature to you, but if you can remember back when you were first figuring out your style and figuring out who you were, what was your thought process for choosing a color or a whole palette? Aw, that's so tricky because I don't think I ever get it right on the first go.

And I know that's kind of taboo to say, like, I don't have a tried and tested method, but my first gut instinct is usually pretty close to where I'll end up within, within a few variations. So moving into this house where we currently are, I started with the furniture because, you know, you can't take the walls with you when you move,

but your furniture for the most part does come with you. So I thought, okay, given the amount of space we have given the type of light that we get. So unfortunately our previous homes have not had great exposure. So even if we have a great big window or a great big door, we just don't get a lot of direct sunlight. So the color I pick has to have a great light reflective value,

and either has to convey the mood I'm trying to achieve or be adaptable based on the furniture. So I look at the available natural light, the furniture I have, and then I kind of go from what the house is telling me. So in our current home, it's a beautiful, I don't want to say historical, but it's, it was built in the sixties and we are the second owners.

So when we moved in, it was a bit of a time capsule. And I wanted to stay true to a lot of the colors that were already in the home because I think they worked well. And in our case, I took down some wallpaper to then put up more wallpaper, but I thought that, and a really rich blue would go quite nicely with the teak that we had in the rod iron and the flooring and the,

the, the vibe we were going for. So I picked blue, and then once I had one completed rim, all the rooms that touched, it had to feel like they worked together. What was different about this house in previous homes is this is a home that we bought and own. But in previous cases we were living in military accommodations. So everything we did in those homes had to be undone at the end.

And I wasn't so concerned with how it would present to the next owners, because it was all going to get painted debate at the end. But in this case, I was trying to think, okay, I can't just make a series of disjointed rooms that hope they work together because no, one's actually going to see how they work together because it's Instagram.

Right. Right. I mean, it's easy to take a picture and say, Oh, we had a look really nicely placed on my grid this way, but it's another thing to actually live with it. So I was like, if this room touches that room, I need to ensure that there's a certain amount of flow or continuity. Whether it be through wall,

color, wallpaper, or soft furnishings, like rugs, and it just sort of cascaded from there. So if you look at rooms that are maybe four or five rooms apart, or an entire floor apart, you might not see how they flow together. But when you put all the pieces and spaces in between, you can feel the flow and the continuity,

That's such an important point. And I really do believe that how we live in our homes is way important than what they look like in photos. Yeah. So, well, that's really, really interesting and helpful. What about in terms of mood? I mean, because you love color, right? I imagine that you, you're not a one color palette person.

Right. So how do you go, Oh, I'm feeling red right now, or I'm feeling greens or I'm feeling purples. Is it a mood thing? Is it a It's it's, there's an expression for, in French and it's,<inaudible> so like a heart strike. Basically. I, I fall in love with something and I thought that the palette for this house was going to be blue,

but, you know, we have blue in the living room, blue in the dining room, blue in the kitchen. But then when it came time to doing our powder room, for example, I was like, no, no, I need some intense pink pattern. And it just, I found a way to make it work. I think that if you love it enough,

you will find a way to make it work. Another example would be our principal bedroom, the walls are white, and I have this great big purple dresser. And I'm trying to find more way to bring purple and pink into the space. Cause I think it actually works quite well in there, even in contrast to the darker moodier shades of the living room.

So when you look at the moods of the two spaces, you know, the, the bedroom is somewhere where we start the day and end the day. So I want it to be calm and relaxing. I don't want to feel like I'm being supercharged in that space. Yeah. The living room is a place where we gather at the end of the day,

you know, it's my husband, my child, and I were sitting in there and maybe listening to some music, watching TV, playing. I don't want it to, I don't want it to feel too bright or to put us to sleep either. So it's, it's creating a cozy feeling. And I think that the color we chose really achieves that.

But the kitchen, for example, we spend all hours of the day in the kitchen. So I've got this vibrant wallpaper with lots of negative white space and really punchy blue kitchen cabinets and checkerboard floor. And I think that the vibe in the kitchen is one of productivity and togetherness and just a liveliness. Mm. Well, and I thank you for describing that.

So, well, I think that because you've got this overarching signature style that, that, that, that you keep coming back to, which is sort of your take on what it would look like to blend Kate spade with Wes Anderson. That's the through line. I mean, every room has that element to it. It has that contrast and that mix of those two iconic designs,

I mean, or design minds. So yeah, I think the kids are calling it an aesthetic Kids. Yes. Let's call it an aesthetic. You check out Pinterest and then you type out like a word and then you put aesthetic next to it. You'll get this whole page. And I'm just like, I'm blown away. That's so funny because when we first created little yellow couch and then I had a business partner,

I remember that I started when there was two of you. Oh my gosh. Yes. That was that's awesome. You've been with us since the beginning. So Karen and I, we wanted to use the word aesthetic because we're quite comfortable with that word, but we just were worried, Oh, is that too fru fru? Is it going to turn people off to people really know what that means now?

Of course, it's, everyone's using it all the time. So That's the danger of trendy rate lady. What's it going to mean in five years? Exactly. It'll be overused. Yeah. And we won't want to hear it anymore. I'm pretty sure there's some sort of take on this expression. I'm probably very poorly quoting Iris Apfel, but I think she has something on along the lines of like stylist timeless,

whether it's in trend or not, it's something along those lines. If that sounds like her. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe I'm just attributing it to her. Cause I want it to be her, but that's, I'm finding a way to be connected to Iris Apfel I, I, since you growing Into being Irish part two or Redux, when you get to be that age with Moira Rose from Schitt's Creek.

Okay, awesome. Right. You have to put your own spin on it. Well, okay. This is perfect because she, I was Apple is, is one of the most confident people ever. And you come across as very confident when it, in regards to your style. And I'm wondering, when did you claim it? How have you always been so confident?

Does it show up in other areas of your life? Yes. I am not a humble. I'm very confident, I think. And I say that tongue in cheek, but it's true. I mean, when I walk into a room, you usually notice me I'm six feet tall. I've got a big mane of hair on me. And depending on my size,

like you notice me, I like to think I'm confident. I'm a bit of a showboat and that has definitely translated into my decor. And it touches all matters of life. I mean, it, it, it affects the partner I chose. My husband is a little more reserved. He's very much the yin to my yang. He's my balance. But when it comes to decor,

I like having certain boundaries to work with it because I think if I was just left unbridled, I, I would be untethered and spin off into the distance, like surrounded by bizarre combinations. But I do like working within certain constraints and that, and that's kind of the Kate spade element, I think. Okay. And it plays out very nicely. That way,

Having constraints are so important and they really do. They force you to be creative, anyone to be creative. The enemy don't tell anybody, but our secret between you, me and all your listeners. When I started decorating at RPM Q, I went for a very different vibe. I had like silver, everything, Robin's egg blue Mason jars. I was just trying it out,

figuring out what I actually liked. It was a very confusing, but also fun time because I figured out that I didn't actually like them, even though they were pretty, but it just didn't make me happy. So I moved on to another color style and other color palettes. How many times do you think you did that before? You kind of really figured out who you were stylistically As an adult two or three times.

It's funny. Cause when you look back, I've been doing this. I've been creating my own environment and my own nest since I was a child, apparently if I was at my grandparents' house and I was misbehaving, they'd send me to the guestroom. And then within a matter of minutes you would hear me moving all the furniture around. I'm not kidding.

So they're like, Oh wow. So she wants to move all the furniture around. And then, I mean, who doesn't remember the iconic, like redecorating of your room as a teen, when you create these giant collage walls out of, you know, snippets from teen beat and tiger beat and all that. And then you're just like, yes, yes,

it's Epic. It's amazing. And then you're going to change all in a month anyways, and it extends onto your dorm room and you know, your first apartment the whole bit. So I think I've truly been growing into my style and what I think works since I was a small child, but I think that confidence really came when we moved from our first PMQ to our second PMQ.

Okay. Our first PMQ was very, I call it the Lego box. It was a, a series of duplexes, all attached. We were the middle unit in that Lego box and there was nothing interesting about it, but our next PMQ was built in the sixties. It had this great big cast iron entryway reach that sort of ran from the floor all the way up to the ceiling.

There was exposed brick everywhere. We had a very retro kitchen and I was like, okay, Yeah, I've got something to work. Yeah, exactly. Something to bounce, an idea off of. Exactly. And I, I started to hone in on what I liked and didn't like at that point, my first online feature actually came from the decor I did in that home.

My first author online feature with Martha Stewart. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I have No clue how that happened. The photos were tinted very yellow. Cause I was like, it's sunny. But you know, when I look back at those photos, I see the orange ones of my decor and I, I absolutely love them. So I think that's the first place where I was like,

this is what I want to do. And I actually really like it. This is so I hope that, that this people are really taking this in, because I say this all the time, you've got to play around, you've got to go ahead and kind of make a commitment to something and live with it for a while to see if it resonates with your heart.

Like you're saying. Absolutely. Yeah. And then, then, you know, and then you move on. And, and for me, I started by copying things, you know, I was, I know, copied country living magazine, and it was like, you, like, you walked into country living magazine when you walked into my home. And it,

it certainly has changed a lot from them, but that's how I learned. And it, you know, it's, it's not about following rules so much. I don't think, I think it's about trying things out for yourself and seeing how they feel Exactly. It goes who's to say, you're not going to love country living magazine, but with a dash of something else.

Exactly. And that's the key, right. I think is mixing it with other things because you are a, you know, a very interesting multidimensional person. So you're not going to just be one Style Thank you. And I think the same goes for everybody really. And, and it's weird because sometimes you see a lot of friction online between different decor camps.

And I think ultimately it just comes down to what you like, you know, I I'm very much on the eclectic, colorful side, but if, you know, mixing and matching shades of beiges, you're seeing do it. Right. Yeah. Right. I mean, do it to your heart's content. Right, right, right. It's about intentionality.

Yeah. Let's, let's go back to restrictions for a minute and constraints as you called them. Budgetary constraints are a big one for most of us. So talk a little bit about, cause you became quite the DIY wire too. So, so tell us about some projects that you've done that a beginner person could do that you've, that you were like,

remember doing it, like maybe these were some of the first DIY projects who took on for sure. Oh yeah. The first one of the first ones they did other than some really weird reads was upholstering a headboard. Okay. So, which I don't think people would think of that as a beginner project. It was for me because I didn't have to cut the wood.

I went and found a panel that was big enough that it would fit, you know, along the head of our queen size bed at the time. And I was like, great, don't have to cut it. One less thing to do. Right. I went to the fabric store, bought the right type of foam and bedding and sprayed. He said that wouldn't eat through the phone.

Okay. And then I chose a fabric that was big enough and I just sort of stapled it all together. Right. That's fabulous. But for me, that was the easiest thing I could do. You know, we didn't have many tools at the time. Although my husband Dan is very handy and he has a bit of a carpentry background. There's not much he can do when he doesn't have tools or when he doesn't have time.

Right. We didn't have a garage. Where were we going to do these projects? Right. Right. But that, I think if you just, or if you have a current headboard, right. That you want to redo, if you start taking it apart, it'll become very clear how it was put together. And you mimic that Tinkering. There,

there is nothing you can't learn from tinkering. Oh, What's been the most difficult or challenging DIY that you've done. I'm not saying you didn't like it because it was challenging. Maybe you loved it or maybe you hated it because it was challenging. But what's, what's been the toughest thing you've taken on. Oh, I'm still thinking about this here. I think I've had,

I've had several pieces and for different reasons, if we go back to that first P or the second, PMQ where we were living in the one where I honed my Style. I did something which I hadn't seen done before. And of course now it's kind of commonplace to do it, but I used painter's tape to create the illusion of trim on the wall.

So I placed a designs with that. That's what got me, the Martha Stewart feature. I created outlines on the wall. And then right when I was going to paint, my husband and his friend walked in and said, you're not going to paint like that. Are you? Huh? And I said, why? And they're like, well, none of it's symmetrical.

You've got different shaped boxes all over the place. There's no symmetry, there's no pairing. And I like to measure, never cut a million times. So, Oh we, you and I are right there together. My husband's cringing as he's when, and if he listens to this, yes. Right. It's the same thing with Dan. He measures 75 times cuts once.

Maybe. So for me, that was a challenge because I had to see reason on the symmetry. Like yes, there is beauty in the asymmetrical and unbalanced, but I also had to take into account another person's perspective who was living in the house. Okay. Yeah. And that was difficult. That was very difficult for me at, to then have to retape everything symmetrically in a room where none of the walls were straight and the ceiling wasn't straight that's when you start to go,

okay, do I create these boxes to be plum and square? Or do I warp them to meet the lines of the ceiling so that there isn't this noticeable change ingredient above. So said everyone who's ever a hung wallpaper ever. Th that is my next project. So that was probably the most difficult DIY I've ever done for that reason alone. And then it was learning to hang wallpaper while nine months pregnant.

I get it though. I get it. You're nesting. You want you you've got it. You're like, okay, this is my last chance to do a DIY for a while. Cause my baby's about to come. Oh literally. I mean, I had paid somebody to do the wallpaper into the spaces beforehand. Cause I was like, this is expensive.

I'm not messing this up. Right. It's so expensive. Exactly. Yeah. And he did a great job. But after that, after having watched him do it for a while, I was like, I can do this. This will be a quick, last minute project said no one ever, But I learned how to do it and now I know how to do it and I can do it properly and efficiently,

but it's like tinkering and living with it to see how to do it. Like I'm a hands-on learner. I can read about it as many times as I want. I won't know what the heck they're talking about until they, But yeah. I think a lot of us are like that. I hesitate talking about how hard slash frustrating wallpaper hanging can be,

because I want to encourage everyone to use wallpaper because I think it's fabulous. So, so even though we're both agreeing that it can be, especially your first project, it's so rewarding. And I do, like you said, I do think you get better at it. Yeah. And I have a counter counterintuitive piece of, you know, like a tip there.

Okay. Pick a really busy pattern for your first one. Ah, because there are so many points at which you can match your pattern up. If you're working with a pattern that only has two or three points where the pattern connects, you know, you may not notice that it's off until you get to the bottom of the rule. In which case you have to take the entire sheet off and rehang it.

But if you're working with a pattern that has Lake 25 points of connection for every foot, that gives you a lot of points to make sure that you're good as you go. Ugh. That is really good advice because I think that that's of course the first thing that people think is, okay, well now what am I going to choose? And there's so many choices out there and I never hang vertical stripes on your own ever,

or even orf in my case horizontal because we've got a very old house. And so none of the walls are the same height. They all, Although do you know what is an interesting way to, to fix something like that towards the ceiling? Tell us crown molding. Oh, the cover. Yeah. Cause because crown molding, you have a little bit of flex there.

Do good idea. So yeah. It's a great way to cut that off a bit sooner. Cause you can play by ear like behind crumbling. You can play around with all kinds of stuff. You can have some quarter round, you can have a finger joint. You can some things out if you really want to. Well and or you can be like me and you just live with it being slightly often go,

I have an old house. That's just the way it is. That's his quirk. We call it Fred what's Fred. No, no. You could name your irregular ceilings Fred. And every time someone's like what's with that, you're like, Oh, Okay, good. I like it. I like giving a name to it. That's awesome. Oh,

I want to wrap up by asking you my signature question, which you probably know since you've been listening to the show, why does Style matter? What does having a signature Style do for you personally? And what does it mean to you? What does it meant to you over these years? You've cultivated this very personal aesthetic. It means two things. To me,

it means one thing to me as a person who lives in house, it means that I know no matter where we go, I will find a way to make it feel like home. Whether through color pattern, wallpaper, texture, whatever you want. Right. I know that no matter where I go, I can make a shoe box. Feel like home,

although I'd rather not live in a shoe box, but as a business, because I know that a lot of the people you interview are bloggers, Instagrammers designers, businesses as a business. It has given me fantastic brand recognition. People know my work when they see it without having to read the name. Yes. And you know what? That, that you can,

that can apply to all of us personally, too, because you want someone who has never been to your home to walk in and go, Oh my gosh, this is so you exactly. And that is what you do so well, thank you, Ariel. This has been so fun because I've been imagining this conversation in my head for quite a while.

Like I said, I've been following you for a long time. So it's been really, really a pleasure for me to get to know you better. Thank you. I, I say the exact same thing. This was a very much a OMG moment when you asked me to be on the podcast. Oh it's it's I love it. I love it.

Thank you so much for listening. I hope that you were getting as much out of these interviews as I am before I go. I wanted to thank you for everyone who has been leaving fabulous reviews on Apple podcasts. Not only does it mean a lot to me, but it also really helps us keep the show on the air because it's the best way for people who are just like you.

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